https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/01/commiserate.html?showComment=1263924116196
Ugly Overload: Commiserate
Anyone know what kind of bird this is? I want to ID it so I can commiserate with it. I know exactly how it feels. I think the two of us woul...
ugly overloadcommiserate
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/11/twitching-kitty.html
Ugly Overload: Twitching Kitty
Kittens often twitch in their sleep. But that same endearing tick takes on a new...flavor...when done by a naked Sphynx. Thanks for the link...
ugly overloadtwitchingkitty
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/02/cheshire-frog.html?showComment=1283977659208
Ugly Overload: Cheshire Frog
A Cheshire frog looming out of the darkness on an overhead tree branch. Definitely more freaky than a Cheshire cat. Lewis Carroll probably m...
ugly overloadcheshirefrog
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/05/nightmare-bird.html?showComment=1242244680000
Ugly Overload: Nightmare Bird
Jochen encountered this emu at a private farm in Germany. The emu is a very large flightless bird found throughout mainland Australia. It g...
ugly overloadnightmarebird
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/03/mississippi-monster.html?showComment=1204744380000
Ugly Overload: Mississippi Monster
Say hello to the Mississippi Paddlefish , aka Polyodon spathula , Spadefish, Spoonbill Catfish, Duckbill Cat, etc. Reaching seven feet in le...
ugly overloadmississippimonster
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/06/its-good-to-be-king-vulture.html?showComment=1245982446844
Ugly Overload: It's Good to be King Vulture
The King Vulture ( Sarcoramphus papa) is a large New World vulture, whose habitat includes lowland forests from southern Mexico to northern...
ugly overloadto begoodkingvulture
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/jumping-spider-eyes.html?showComment=1379610247403
Ugly Overload: Jumping Spider Eyes
Jumping spiders comprise the famliy Salticidae, the largest and most diverse of spider families (ah, a melting pot), with between 4,000 and ...
ugly overloadjumping spidereyes
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post.html?showComment=1396372669347
Ugly Overload: An Ecosystem Under Your Bed
Rebecca and her husband decided to take advantage of the warm weather and rearrange their bedroom to take advantage of open windows and bett...
ugly overloadecosystembed
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/09/goodbye-to-chinese-paddlefish.html
Ugly Overload: Goodbye to the Chinese Paddlefish?
What do you know--another tragedy out of China. This one comes in the form of an expected recently extinctified (made up word) giant freshwa...
ugly overloadto thegoodbyechinesepaddlefish
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/02/transparent-head.html?showComment=1236542100000
Ugly Overload: Transparent Head
A bunch of you alert readers sent this in to me, and for good reason. It's not every day that we get to encounter a fish with a transparent ...
ugly overloadtransparenthead
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/thats-some-prolific-pig.html?showComment=1231251360000
Ugly Overload: That's Some Prolific Pig
I know, I'm posting on something that's already been covered by Cute Overload. But bear in mind I'm looking at the adult, not the adorable p...
ugly overloadprolificpig
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/01/in-full-swing.html?showComment=1200951780000
Ugly Overload: In Full Swing
My arachnophobia: back in full swing. I've got a question for you spider experts. I know that spiders drain their insectoid meals dry, leavi...
ugly overloadfullswing
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/cnidarians-beware.html
Ugly Overload: Cnidarians Beware
A little while ago I posted on a sea spider, which National Geographic had described as an actual arachnid. They were wrong, as many of you ...
ugly overloadcnidariansbeware
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/01/carpathian-edibles.html
Ugly Overload: Carpathian Edibles
Alcessa encountered this pair of Hungarian Mangalica pigs in a German Zoo last year. You can also call them poodle pigs, or blonde pigs - j...
ugly overloadcarpathianedibles
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/02/chicks-with-appetites.html
Ugly Overload: Chicks with Appetites
ugly overloadchicksappetites
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/brainwash.html?showComment=1197487800000
Ugly Overload: Brainwash
I've posted on some stuff that has made me ashamed to be human. This one makes me ashamed to be a biological entity. Jade sent me this video...
ugly overloadbrainwash
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/05/crab-comparison.html?showComment=1268667748463
Ugly Overload: Crab Comparison
Here's what a normal hermit crab looks like (I used to have these as pets as a wee lad). It's something you can pick up with your finger tip...
ugly overloadcrabcomparison
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/mudskippers.html?showComment=1232487120000
Ugly Overload: Mudskippers
Jelo pointed out that I've been remiss in posting on the comely mudskipper (only one post in over three years). So here goes. They're found...
ugly overloadmudskippers
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/03/wrongfully-accused.html
Ugly Overload: Wrongfully Accused
Marty alerted me to a news story out of Australia. It seems that a man called the police to report that he had been...had...by a wombat, in...
ugly overloadaccused
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/11/pink-malice.html?showComment=1259889836667
Ugly Overload: Pink Malice
Albino alligators are rare in the wild. In fact, they've only been spotted in Louisiana, and an adult one has never been seen in the wild (...
ugly overloadpinkmalice
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/03/stump-tailed-skink.html?showComment=1237309320000
Ugly Overload: Stump-tailed Skink
Behold the prehistoric mug of the latest Aussie addition to Ugly Overload: the stump-tailed skink ( Tiliqua rugosa ). There are four subsp...
ugly overloadstumptailedskink
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2006/10/big-surprise.html?showComment=1160554500000
Ugly Overload: Big Surprise
Did you know that baby baboons are called cubs? Why not simply call them ugly? This little one was abandoned by its mother. Big surprise - u...
ugly overloadbigsurprise
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/08/on-chain.html?showComment=1188267120000
Ugly Overload: On a Chain
Hmm. Well. So, I've got this hyena on a leash. Yep. Now I guess I'll just...well. My options are limited, cuz I've got a hyena leash in my h...
ugly overloadchain
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/05/check-your-skimmer.html?showComment=1179413700000
Ugly Overload: Check Your Skimmer
There seems to be a growing collection of freaky, underwater photos of white tigers on the web. Here is this week's installment. Just watch ...
ugly overloadcheckskimmer
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/06/squid-info-needed.html?showComment=1213143720000
Ugly Overload: Squid Info Needed
I need some help with this one. Can anyone give me the common name of this squid, which has been named Stauroteuthis syrtensis ? It's some s...
ugly overloadsquidinfoneeded
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2006/12/oxfam-alpacas.html?showComment=1166230620000
Ugly Overload: Oxfam Alpacas
Here is a fantastic video made by TVF for Oxfam (a wonderful charity). Enjoy. Thanks for the video, Rob.
ugly overloadoxfamalpacas
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2012/10/your-monday-ugdorable_8.html
Ugly Overload: Your Monday Ugdorable
I swear this blog isn't going to become Sirenian Overload, but just one more - this photo of an orphaned Amazonian manatee that I think i...
ugly overloadmonday
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-circumstances.html
Ugly Overload: What Circumstances
I assume that this is the last photo ever taken with this camera. The anteater was caught mid-lunge as it attacked with its claws. What else...
ugly overloadcircumstances
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/10/british-invasion-of-alien-kind.html
Ugly Overload: British Invasion of the Alien Kind
Increasingly mild weather in the UK may seem like a good thing to those who hate the cold and rain. But like everything, even mildness has i...
ugly overloadbritish invasionof thealienkind
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/02/rolling-out-uglies-part-iii.html?showComment=1172545440000
Ugly Overload: Rolling Out the Uglies, Part III
This giant squid was recently caught by New Zealand fisherman off the coast of Antartica. What's with all the giant squids popping up recent...
ugly overloadrolling outugliespartiii
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/12/one-less-worm.html?showComment=1228800960000
Ugly Overload: One Less Worm
What's this? Good news? Yes. It turns out that thanks to a variety of eradication efforts, time, materials, and education, Guinea worm infec...
ugly overloadone lessworm
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/08/earthworm-hunter.html?showComment=1245643645572
Ugly Overload: Earthworm Hunter
Continuing with the worm theme, Joe sent me this lovely little creature. Say hello to the land planarian. Though I don't know the specific s...
ugly overloadearthwormhunter
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/pat-on-back.html
Ugly Overload: A Pat on the Back
Would Shelob have been more or less scary colored like this leaf spider? I'm guessing less, but the image of Sam driving Sting into that ...
ugly overloadon thepatback
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/02/goliath-on-goliath.html?showComment=1172239740000
Ugly Overload: Goliath on Goliath
This is what I call upping the ante when it comes to spiders. In fact, it really can't be upped any more, since this is the largest spider o...
ugly overloadgoliath
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/brainwash.html?showComment=1197418020000
Ugly Overload: Brainwash
I've posted on some stuff that has made me ashamed to be human. This one makes me ashamed to be a biological entity. Jade sent me this video...
ugly overloadbrainwash
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/06/what-do-i-do.html
Ugly Overload: What Do I Do?
No, that's not a coaster or an ash tray. You're looking at discophus guinetti. I've done some poking around, and I can't find out much on th...
ugly overload
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/11/santapede.html?showComment=1196219340000
Ugly Overload: Santapede
Offered to you, in the holiday spirit, courtesy Eugene , via Sherry .
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https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/02/perfect-name.html?showComment=1170652020000
Ugly Overload: Perfect Name
I cannot explain how much I like this animal, or rather, this baby. Callum sent me this link , and my world has changed. Behold the puggle...
ugly overloadperfectname
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/09/self-sustaining-monster.html?showComment=1221093540000
Ugly Overload: Self-Sustaining Monster
The spider photos keep pouring in. I can't stem the tide... Bonni encountered this huntsman spider at her home near Melbourne, Australia. T...
ugly overloadselfsustainingmonster
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/one-small-corner.html?showComment=1197530640000
Ugly Overload: One Small Corner
My buddy Alan sent me this link to a Time article . It seems that we've plumbed the depths of the sea a bit deeper and dredged up another 70...
ugly overloadonesmallcorner
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/03/bit-of-sad-news.html?showComment=1173408000000
Ugly Overload: A Bit of Sad News
For my frequent readers, you've no doubt come to enjoy the various photos that Jade Walker has sent along - think roaches, centipedes, and t...
a bit ofugly overloadsadnews
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2012/04/komodo-dragon-of-wasps.html
Ugly Overload: Komodo Dragon of Wasps
Joan brings us this beauty, via Dailymail . Behold this newly discovered species of wasp, found on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi. T...
ugly overloadkomodo dragonwasps
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/brainwash.html?showComment=1198337400000
Ugly Overload: Brainwash
I've posted on some stuff that has made me ashamed to be human. This one makes me ashamed to be a biological entity. Jade sent me this video...
ugly overloadbrainwash
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/01/oilbird.html?showComment=1267049360898
Ugly Overload: The Oilbird
This bird may not seem ugly at first appearance, but wait till you get the details. Here's a colorful quote : "Raucous shrieking and frightf...
ugly overloadoilbird
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/03/my-esteem.html?showComment=1174803480000
Ugly Overload: My Esteem
I think nearly every photo I've posted on the Aye Aye is of the same creature, just in different poses. I may have to travel to Madagascar ...
ugly overloadesteem
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/01/amazon-river-dolphin.html?showComment=1266557042377
Ugly Overload: Amazon River Dolphin
Should you ever find yourself rafting through the Amazon river basin and you come across a friendly, pink/gray, beaked face, don't be alarme...
ugly overloadamazon riverdolphin
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/10/disillusionment.html
Ugly Overload: Disillusionment
This photo was taken at a crocodile farm in Bangkok. The wrestler looks like a nice enough guy, complete with a winning smile. So why, oh wh...
ugly overloaddisillusionment
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/07/happy-ugly-fourth-of-july.html
Ugly Overload: Happy Ugly Fourth of July
Hope you're all enjoying some nice cold summer treats like this baboon at Hangzhou Wild Animal Zoo in China. Selected for your enjoyment fro...
ugly overloadhappy fourthjuly
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2006/10/vultures-and-lovers.html
Ugly Overload: Vultures and Lovers
Here is the lappet-faced, or nubian vulture . Now here's an association you wouldn't expect: in Southern Africa, the name for these carrion ...
ugly overloadvultureslovers
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/05/congo-fish.html?showComment=1210341480000
Ugly Overload: Congo Fish
The Dark Continent is the home of many mysteries and has long held the world's imagination. Among its many wonders are its rivers, including...
ugly overloadcongofish
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/11/polar-predator-personality.html?showComment=1259803471980
Ugly Overload: Polar Predator Personality
I never get to post on leopard seals. And truth be told, this video doesn't belong on Ugly Overload. But I have no other outlet, so I'll abu...
ugly overloadpolarpredatorpersonality
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/03/to-be-queen.html?showComment=1206974340000
Ugly Overload: To Be Queen
As a flawed human being, I take a bit of pleasure in seeing the flaws in others, even in insects. Ants, who are so often praised for their s...
ugly overloadto bequeen
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/07/pumpkin-bugs.html?showComment=1184418000000
Ugly Overload: Pumpkin Bugs
Poor Tiffany encounters this infestation of bugs on her pumpkins every year. Maybe if we can help identify them she'll know how best to ward...
ugly overloadpumpkinbugs
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/01/commiserate.html?showComment=1263924116196
Ugly Overload: Commiserate
Anyone know what kind of bird this is? I want to ID it so I can commiserate with it. I know exactly how it feels. I think the two of us woul...
ugly overloadcommiserate
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/11/twitching-kitty.html
Ugly Overload: Twitching Kitty
Kittens often twitch in their sleep. But that same endearing tick takes on a new...flavor...when done by a naked Sphynx. Thanks for the link...
ugly overloadtwitchingkitty
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/02/cheshire-frog.html?showComment=1283977659208
Ugly Overload: Cheshire Frog
A Cheshire frog looming out of the darkness on an overhead tree branch. Definitely more freaky than a Cheshire cat. Lewis Carroll probably m...
ugly overloadcheshirefrog
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/05/nightmare-bird.html?showComment=1242244680000
Ugly Overload: Nightmare Bird
Jochen encountered this emu at a private farm in Germany. The emu is a very large flightless bird found throughout mainland Australia. It g...
ugly overloadnightmarebird
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/03/mississippi-monster.html?showComment=1204744380000
Ugly Overload: Mississippi Monster
Say hello to the Mississippi Paddlefish , aka Polyodon spathula , Spadefish, Spoonbill Catfish, Duckbill Cat, etc. Reaching seven feet in le...
ugly overloadmississippimonster
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/06/its-good-to-be-king-vulture.html?showComment=1245982446844
Ugly Overload: It's Good to be King Vulture
The King Vulture ( Sarcoramphus papa) is a large New World vulture, whose habitat includes lowland forests from southern Mexico to northern...
ugly overloadto begoodkingvulture
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/jumping-spider-eyes.html?showComment=1379610247403
Ugly Overload: Jumping Spider Eyes
Jumping spiders comprise the famliy Salticidae, the largest and most diverse of spider families (ah, a melting pot), with between 4,000 and ...
ugly overloadjumping spidereyes
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post.html?showComment=1396372669347
Ugly Overload: An Ecosystem Under Your Bed
Rebecca and her husband decided to take advantage of the warm weather and rearrange their bedroom to take advantage of open windows and bett...
ugly overloadecosystembed
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/09/goodbye-to-chinese-paddlefish.html
Ugly Overload: Goodbye to the Chinese Paddlefish?
What do you know--another tragedy out of China. This one comes in the form of an expected recently extinctified (made up word) giant freshwa...
ugly overloadto thegoodbyechinesepaddlefish
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/02/transparent-head.html?showComment=1236542100000
Ugly Overload: Transparent Head
A bunch of you alert readers sent this in to me, and for good reason. It's not every day that we get to encounter a fish with a transparent ...
ugly overloadtransparenthead
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/thats-some-prolific-pig.html?showComment=1231251360000
Ugly Overload: That's Some Prolific Pig
I know, I'm posting on something that's already been covered by Cute Overload. But bear in mind I'm looking at the adult, not the adorable p...
ugly overloadprolificpig
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/01/in-full-swing.html?showComment=1200951780000
Ugly Overload: In Full Swing
My arachnophobia: back in full swing. I've got a question for you spider experts. I know that spiders drain their insectoid meals dry, leavi...
ugly overloadfullswing
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/cnidarians-beware.html
Ugly Overload: Cnidarians Beware
A little while ago I posted on a sea spider, which National Geographic had described as an actual arachnid. They were wrong, as many of you ...
ugly overloadcnidariansbeware
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/01/carpathian-edibles.html
Ugly Overload: Carpathian Edibles
Alcessa encountered this pair of Hungarian Mangalica pigs in a German Zoo last year. You can also call them poodle pigs, or blonde pigs - j...
ugly overloadcarpathianedibles
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2010/02/chicks-with-appetites.html
Ugly Overload: Chicks with Appetites
ugly overloadchicksappetites
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/brainwash.html?showComment=1197487800000
Ugly Overload: Brainwash
I've posted on some stuff that has made me ashamed to be human. This one makes me ashamed to be a biological entity. Jade sent me this video...
ugly overloadbrainwash
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/05/crab-comparison.html?showComment=1268667748463
Ugly Overload: Crab Comparison
Here's what a normal hermit crab looks like (I used to have these as pets as a wee lad). It's something you can pick up with your finger tip...
ugly overloadcrabcomparison
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/01/mudskippers.html?showComment=1232487120000
Ugly Overload: Mudskippers
Jelo pointed out that I've been remiss in posting on the comely mudskipper (only one post in over three years). So here goes. They're found...
ugly overloadmudskippers
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/03/wrongfully-accused.html
Ugly Overload: Wrongfully Accused
Marty alerted me to a news story out of Australia. It seems that a man called the police to report that he had been...had...by a wombat, in...
ugly overloadaccused
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/11/pink-malice.html?showComment=1259889836667
Ugly Overload: Pink Malice
Albino alligators are rare in the wild. In fact, they've only been spotted in Louisiana, and an adult one has never been seen in the wild (...
ugly overloadpinkmalice
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2009/03/stump-tailed-skink.html?showComment=1237309320000
Ugly Overload: Stump-tailed Skink
Behold the prehistoric mug of the latest Aussie addition to Ugly Overload: the stump-tailed skink ( Tiliqua rugosa ). There are four subsp...
ugly overloadstumptailedskink
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2006/10/big-surprise.html?showComment=1160554500000
Ugly Overload: Big Surprise
Did you know that baby baboons are called cubs? Why not simply call them ugly? This little one was abandoned by its mother. Big surprise - u...
ugly overloadbigsurprise
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/08/on-chain.html?showComment=1188267120000
Ugly Overload: On a Chain
Hmm. Well. So, I've got this hyena on a leash. Yep. Now I guess I'll just...well. My options are limited, cuz I've got a hyena leash in my h...
ugly overloadchain
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/05/check-your-skimmer.html?showComment=1179413700000
Ugly Overload: Check Your Skimmer
There seems to be a growing collection of freaky, underwater photos of white tigers on the web. Here is this week's installment. Just watch ...
ugly overloadcheckskimmer
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/06/squid-info-needed.html?showComment=1213143720000
Ugly Overload: Squid Info Needed
I need some help with this one. Can anyone give me the common name of this squid, which has been named Stauroteuthis syrtensis ? It's some s...
ugly overloadsquidinfoneeded
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2006/12/oxfam-alpacas.html?showComment=1166230620000
Ugly Overload: Oxfam Alpacas
Here is a fantastic video made by TVF for Oxfam (a wonderful charity). Enjoy. Thanks for the video, Rob.
ugly overloadoxfamalpacas
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2012/10/your-monday-ugdorable_8.html
Ugly Overload: Your Monday Ugdorable
I swear this blog isn't going to become Sirenian Overload, but just one more - this photo of an orphaned Amazonian manatee that I think i...
ugly overloadmonday
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-circumstances.html
Ugly Overload: What Circumstances
I assume that this is the last photo ever taken with this camera. The anteater was caught mid-lunge as it attacked with its claws. What else...
ugly overloadcircumstances
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/10/british-invasion-of-alien-kind.html
Ugly Overload: British Invasion of the Alien Kind
Increasingly mild weather in the UK may seem like a good thing to those who hate the cold and rain. But like everything, even mildness has i...
ugly overloadbritish invasionof thealienkind
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/02/rolling-out-uglies-part-iii.html?showComment=1172545440000
Ugly Overload: Rolling Out the Uglies, Part III
This giant squid was recently caught by New Zealand fisherman off the coast of Antartica. What's with all the giant squids popping up recent...
ugly overloadrolling outugliespartiii
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/12/one-less-worm.html?showComment=1228800960000
Ugly Overload: One Less Worm
What's this? Good news? Yes. It turns out that thanks to a variety of eradication efforts, time, materials, and education, Guinea worm infec...
ugly overloadone lessworm
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/
Ugly Overload
Giving ugly animals their day in the sun. We avoid the simply tragic, diseased, or maimed. Rather, these creatures are only as hideous as nature - or their...
uglyoverload
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/08/earthworm-hunter.html?showComment=1245643645572
Ugly Overload: Earthworm Hunter
Continuing with the worm theme, Joe sent me this lovely little creature. Say hello to the land planarian. Though I don't know the specific s...
ugly overloadearthwormhunter
https://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2007/12/pat-on-back.html
Ugly Overload: A Pat on the Back
Would Shelob have been more or less scary colored like this leaf spider? I'm guessing less, but the image of Sam driving Sting into that ...
ugly overloadon thepatback